Why don't you care about who she is before you believe in what she says?

大寶本來最痛恨就是幫意識形態強的團體做免費的廣告，特別是法輪功這種宣傳資源豐富的宗教團體，但來個例外吧。我和一位 Daniel 君有以下的 exchange regarding Wenyi Wang on his blog. You get a feel of how the Falun Gong people react to this kind of challenge.

********** Below is the exchange **********

大寶 said...

Who is Wang Wenyi? Why do we want to believe what she says?

daniel said...

Wang Wenyi's data in wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Wenyi
even BBC believes what she said:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30200-p21983_waghorn,00.html

daniel said...

why was my comment on your blog being deleted twice!? i said: since you are in Taiwan, why don't you go ahead asking her directly? she'll be in 立法院 on 10/14, and on 台大醫院 on 10/15. It is doubtful that you care so much about her career instead of the fact of living organ harvest.

大寶 said...

1. Do you know everybody can edit wikipedia? Why do you believe in BBC, but not the "facts" I provide?2. I don't care about her career, but question whether she is HONEST. If she lies about her Ph.D. and whether she practices medicine in New York City, then I am not sure how much I should trust what she says. By the way, the databases I search to question her "credibility" is public (or nearly public--i.e., available in all research universities' libraries).

daniel said...

you erased my comment in yr blog again. what have i posted? have i posted something wrong? The point is that: you are not an HONEST guy. your deleted all the comments that is conflicted to your thoughts. you don't dare to leave other's comment untouched to let everybody judge it. i feel so sorry about this.

daniel said...

by the way, if there are questions, there should be answers. thanks for providing your finding. i'll take care of your arguments.

dkd said...

The best way is to ask herself to provide evidence of her PHD degree.(since some people are so concerned ).Otherwise we should apology for the abuse ,that is the way a righteous man should do. No use to argue and the best way it to ask her directly since she will appear in some public occasions in Taiwan. Are you a Taiwanese? This is convenient for those who has doubts in mind while she is in Taiwan.

大寶 said...

Thanks a lot for your promise to answer my question. Let me recap my questions here: 王文怡到底有沒有博士學位，如果有，從哪一所大學來的? 小弟在一般研究大學的博士論文索引裡查不到他的資料。... 王文怡到底是不是美國紐約的執業醫師，還是他只是把歷史上的頭銜拿來裝飾門面，讓大家相信他講的沒有"直接"證據的話? 小弟在一個提供紐約州執業醫師的公開網站找不到王文怡的資料。... Remember that people may lie. So, I would really prefer "hard evidence" for her credentials. For example, I am a member of the American Economic Association, you will be able to find my name in their member directory. 我有威斯康辛大學發的學位證書，我甚至可以直接要求威斯康辛大學寄官方成績單到任何一個住址給我指定的人。諸如此類的證據。請不要忘了薛姓女主播當年怎麼 掩飾他假稱的學歷，也不要忘了電視臺當年對他的謊言是如何處置的。我等著看大紀元時報與法輪功團體對"真相"的態度與道德表現。

daniel said...

To 樓上的大寶: I didn't promise you. But I did forward your message. Whether they'll respond to you depend on their own will. 因為這整件事的重點不在王文怡, 而是獨立調查團的真相調查報告 (難道要救人還得先證明自己是博士嗎?). As far as I know, [法輪功團體]沒有興趣也沒有義務去回應這些事情. 您網路上找不到王文怡的這些資料並不代表王文怡沒有這些頭銜, 除非您能證明王文怡作假, 要控訴別人的人必須要負舉證之責任. 往往舉證之所在, 敗訴之所在 (否則, 每個公眾人物要如何疲於奔命面對這些無里頭的指控?) So, 最好的辦法, 還是親自去取得第一手資料. 王文怡週日上午 (未來科學大會) 及下午 (活體超市電影發表會) 都有公開活動, 建議您不妨到場當眾跟王文怡'嗆聲', 如果您對她的 credibility 有所懷疑.

大寶 said...

Daniel: 王文怡和法輪功的大紀元如果可以對他的博士學位無中生有，他們就有可能對其他的事無中生有。你 如果有看洛城法網之類的影集，你就知道這是在美國法庭上何以律師爭執到底這個證人的credibility。我不是隨便在網路上 google 一下就宣稱王文怡被我抓包唬爛了。我查的是美國所有博士學位的資料庫，在各大學圖書館都有。我可以找到所有從芝加哥大學獲得博士學位的姓 Wang 的人，甚至在1910年代。這位大紀元以及各式各樣媒體報導中的芝加哥大學博士並不在其中。你可以給我任何一個你大學或研究所老師的英文名字，如果他們在 美國大學拿的博士學位，我可以告訴你他是哪一所大學、哪一年、哪一系、指導教授是誰。這和 wikipedia 不同，這個資料庫絕對經得起考驗。此外，如果不是他自己講（or spoke in a confusing, if not misleading, way），何以幾乎所有的媒體都以訛傳訛說他是芝加哥大學的博士。到 底多少媒體報導他是芝加哥大學的博士是可以 google 一下的。我讀了那兩個加拿大人的報告，我不曉得應不應該相信他們有多獨立，他們的調查基本上是被法輪功的人牽著走的，當然你可以說他們是唯一知情的資料來 源。但我想 說的是法輪功組織（包含我所稱的"堂口"：大紀元時報，新唐人電視臺等等）被我抓包誇大其詞或有報導與證據的瑕疵不是第一次了（如果你把我部落格所有法輪 功相關的文字都找出來看）。我所謂的抓包都是像這個王女士的博士學位一樣有清楚黑白證據的（and I thought you like things to be black and white, according to your profile），不是我自己喊得爽而已，沒法查證的（after all, I am a scientist by training）。Finally, I don't blame you if you are not convinced. My wife is a Falun Gong practitioner (and perhaps embarrassingly with a Ph.D. from a top university), and I can't even convince her of the various wrong-doings of the Falun Gong people. Nonetheless, it is exactly my wife's over-involvement in Falun Gong's *political* activities that irritate me so much and drag me into checking the Falun Gong organization's many claims.

大寶 said...

簡言之，我有很強的證據支持王文怡沒有芝加哥大學的博士學位。至於這到底是不是作假端看到底他是怎麼和記者說的。但基於他和大紀元時報的關係，連大紀元都說他是芝加哥的博士，我想這應該算是作假吧。No?! 我人在美國，所以沒機會當面和他嗆聲。但嗆了又如何，如果連你這麼有良知在乎是非黑白的人都說不在乎他到底有沒有假稱學歷，我不過是狗吠火車罷了。人們的道德良知顯然是有選擇性的，不是嗎?!